kris
  
On my hub directory does not work. I don't have list of users. :(
Raymond Monret
  
Have you checked out the "this site only" option?
kris
  
Mario how can I select a directory ? (I am not admin)
Raymond yes I try all options
Mario Vavti
  
If you are not the admin, then ask your admin :wink:
kris
  
Why I Won't Learn Esperanto

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These are the main reasons why I have no interest in learning Esperanto and would personally not recommend it. It's not simply because it's a conlang either.


#esperanto
kris
  
I am starting reading this.
- The purpose of Esparanto is political ?? I am not sure
- The second point is wrong. I am sure. Esperanto has no goal of replacing all other language and delete all diversity. That is the oposite. The goal is having an easy secondary language.

kris
  
Zot-Compagnie

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A compter du 29 avril, nos ateliers sont ouverts un samedi sur deux des 14h00. Rejoignez-nous pour des séances de bricolage dans la bonne humeur !! Vous pouvez également nous contacter à l’adresse : info@zot-compagnie.ch Merci à toutes et à tous de votre visite lors de la saison 2016-2017 ! La ZoT Compagnie est soutenue par la Ville de Caro...
kris
  
Beni GrindBeni Grind escreveu a seguinte publicação Sun, 03 Dec 2017 11:57:15 -0200
#skiing #skitouring Blüemberg

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Raymond Monret
  
yes
kris
  
Strange I don't see the picture of my own reshare from @Beni Grind
kris
  
now I see it. Maybe some slow network or server temporarly

Kris
 
Nick Vujici in Ukraine

Nick Vujicic, the remarkable evangelist born with no arms and no legs, was part of a massive outreach in Ukraine in which 400,000 surrendered to Christ as their Lord and Savior.

“The biggest event that our team at Life Without Limbs has seen and maybe the largest event ever in Europe – 800,000 people in the streets of Kiev Ukraine!” Nick reported on Facebook Oct. 17th.

Vujicic, 33, was born without arms or legs and was given no medical reason for his condition. On the ministry’s website, he explains, “It’s been said that doors open to a man without arms and legs much more easily than to anyone else, we thank God for providing that privilege. I’ve been invited into very unexpected places to share about my faith in Jesus Christ and literally millions have responded.”
 Countries  inspiration  Kiyv  Ukraine  Vujicic

Kris
 
Hubzilla my experience

Hubzilla is a powerful platform for creating interconnected websites featuring a decentralized identity, communications, and permissions framework built using common webserver technology. It could be an alternative as facebook, twitter or other services taken by big companies.

Finding a hub
That is not as easy. You have many hubs but many are outdated or don’t accept open registration

What the hub can do ?
As soon you find a hub where you can registrare an account you discover what the hub can do and what the hub cannot do. But the list of feature (activated plugin and feature) is not listed in a human reading. Exemple is the ostatus plugin activated or not. I cannot activated why ? Haaa that hub does not allow it. —> grrr I have to find an other hub and start at the begining.

Social ?
Hubzilla is a powerfull tool but it is a social tool. You expect communities or at least a community. But untill now the community is only hubzilla community. Where are people ? The community is small and not growing…. That dimension is missing. Hubzilla is only a tool not a community.

New users are not comfortable
I just notice that new user don’t stay. They try, open an account a channel and don’t use it. Why ? That would be interesting to try to answer that question. We could respond. Hubzilla is powerfull, it is a revolutionary tools, you are anomyme and privacy is really in the core etc. etc.. but the fast is new user are not able to dive into it and use it for a real use.

Slow
My user experience in hubzilla is that it is often slow. I am waiting often after clicking somewhere.

Double configuration
Often the admin should activate or parameter a plugin and the member should do the same. We need double configuration. If either the member or the admin don’t do it. It will not work. Even admin is not able to configurate plugin for member. That level of complexity is something like a weekness of course we also can see that like a strongness.

Simplicity should be the target.
How to make something complicated simple ? I hope the level of simplicity sill be the target for hubzilla.

Hubzilla is changing quicky and improvements are frequent. That is my hope. I am sure improvement will lead into the right direction. (simplicity)
 hubzilla  IT
M. Dent
  
You've outlined a number of challenges and I don't think there's anyone to disagree.  The question is, what to do about it.  For me, it's a bit of reframing my own expectations and thinking on these topics.

I think the first four of your topics could be combined.

Your first four topics (Finding a hub, What a hub can do, Social and New users not comfortable) all actually fall under one umbrella.  Right now, Hubzilla is still in the "early adopter" phase - and unless people feel a good reason, they aren't going to go through the trouble.

It's up to those of us who see and know not only the potential but the current benefits of hubzilla to create that "good reason."  Part of it is awareness, part of it is creating good "onboarding" resources (training new users), part of it is finding ways to bring whole communities onto hubzilla.

This last one is probably the best way to start.  At this stage, only "early adopters" and "technophiles" are going to be interested in hubzilla.  And, most 'early adopters' right now will not find enough utility from hubzilla to make it worth while to stick around.  That's just reality, but it doesn't have to stay that way.

For example - I am in the midst of starting a new organization in the U.S. that will be massively distributed and needs a good communications infrastructure that is both flexible and extensible.  We have settled on going through the pain of learning the ins and outs of Hubzilla and have evaluated it to fit our needs.  This has the potential to bring a significant user base into hubzilla - and based on the structure of the organization - has the potential to open a large number of new "community" based hubs (both geographic communities, and communities centered around common goals and purposes).  In this case, there is a built-in incentive to use hubzilla if you are a member of this new organization.  It's how things will get done.

One conclusion I've come to about "social" networking is that it doesn't really exist apart from the external social structures that it seeks to network together.  Don't get me wrong, it can be very helpful at connecting and fostering community - but in reality, the community already exists apart from the social network - even if the social network is what was used as the 'tool' to connect them together.

In this sense, "Hubzilla" will never itself be a community - just like "Facebook" is not really a community.  Both are tools to connect people and allow a community to interact and cooperate toward shared goals.  Other social networks (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) are where they are because existing communities intentionally or unintentionally chose to use that tool to cooperate and interact.  

One way to move Hubzilla more into the "mainstream,"  is to identify existing communities that would benefit by using Hubzilla and onboarding the entire existing community - teaching them how to use this tool to do what the community is trying to accomplish.  

For me, the biggest benefit to hubzilla is that it isn't designed to distract me and influence my thinking and make money off me by throwing ads in my face as I try to interact with my various "communities," it's centered around being a TOOL by which communitiecs can actually accomplish REAL THINGS.  That's a HUGE difference.

The reason(s) that the group I'm working with has settled on Hubzilla is that it is a PLATFORM that integrates all the tools we were using under one umbrella.  Wiki/Websites/Chat-Forums - all with fine-grained access control.  As we move forward, file sharing, calendaring, and numerous other tools will become more important - as will the "social media" aspects.

Instead of using separate apps (Slack + Wiki software + Wordpress + Dropbox) with separate administration of permissions and logins and the challenges of data control and privacy concerns - Hubzilla allows us to pull all of that together, even though it may be distributed on numerous servers.  Those things that we need to control remain under our own control on our own server (or one run by people we know and trust) rather than on some nameless - faceless company's servers who could and would sell our souls to feed their bottom line.

Not all of these things will be up and running right away (the biggest sticking point right now is probably Websites - so we will be "stuck" with Wordpress for a while [although, the Wordpress plugin will be VERY helpful])

As for the other things on your list:

slow - I'm sure that the devs would be more than happy to review and consider any pull requests that would help with that!

Double configuration - From what I can tell, this is intentional and I think it's good that it's required.  But, what might help is some sort of "onboarding" addon that would teach or train people about various features and then, once they have learned what they are and how they work, enables those features.  I think the current system of "hiding" many features unless they are explicitly enabled by the user prevents the initial panic ("Oh my gosh!  What do all these things DO!!?!"), but I would agree that there needs to be some sort of bridge for the less technically inclined to say, "I want to be able to set up a website through Hubzilla, what do I have to do?" - be presented some tutorials and helps and at that point the option is enabled.

This is related to SIMPLICITY.  In my thinking (and it's only my own thinking) - what is needed is a few of these "connecting bits" - perhaps a "tutorial" addon that allows the creation of "how-to" documents that walk users through how to use features - with either text, videos, whatever.

It took me literally MONTHS after my first "go round" on the demo site to jump into hubzilla - and I'm very technically adept and very much able to quickly grasp new things.  So for it to take me that long means that the general user simply will not ever go there.

But I don't think any of these things are insurmountable... they will just take people willing to dig in and apply themselves.  The platform seems very much ready - but the current crop of developers have their hands full just making needed improvements 'under the hood'.  The work so far is tremendous!  And there is tremendous potential for greatness - but it will take work to get there.

Every little bit will be helpful!
kris
  
kris agora está conectado com M. Dent


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kris
  
@Hubzilla Support Forum+

sorry for my stupid question but After 2 years of using hubzilla I am still not sure how to unsubscribe a forum or even a contact in general.

I have a real case : I want to unsubscribe a forum. How to do it ? Is my way the best ? I count 6 clics.  

1. clic the menu (top right) That is not easy even for new comer to know that
2. Find Contacts . The menu is configurable and we don't know how is the menu. Can you imagine help someone and there is not Contact option. --> You should clic Arrange options
3. Find the right contact --> scroll scroll scroll - If you have 10 contacts that is ok but if you have 1000 how can you find it ? My contact start with Z (Zot universe NEWS)
4- I find the contact -> clic on change
5 Action du contact
6- Delete

I have to make 6 clic when I know the way. Can you imagine people who don't know.

Now I am dreaming unsubscribe in one clic.
Haakon Meland Eriksen (Parlementum)
  
Hamburger icon (1) > Connections (2) > Red delete button on the contact.
Mario Vavti
  
or if you see an annoying post of a connection in your stream: open post dropdown > edit connection > select delete from the connection tools...
Mike Macgirvin
  
If you have 10 contacts that is ok but if you have 1000 how can you find it ?


Connections -> "Search"

kris
  última edição: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:53:24 -0200  
- Finding a hub : That is not as easy. You have many hubs but many are outdated or don't accept open registration

- What the hub can do ? As soon you find a hub where you can registrare an account you discover what the hub can do and what the hub cannot do. But the list of feature (activated plugin and feature) is not listed in a human reading. Exemple is the ostatus plugin activated or not. I cannot activated why ? Haaa that hub does not allow it. ---> grrr I have to find an other hub and start at the begining.

- Social : Hubzilla is a powerfull tool but it is a social tool. You expect communities or at least a community. But untill now the community is only hubzilla community. Where are people ? The community is small and not growing.... That dimension is missing. Hubzilla is only a tool not a community.

- New users are not comfortable : I just notice that new user don't stay. They try, open an account a channel and don't use it. Why ? That would be interesting to try to answer that question. We could respond. Hubzilla is powerfull, it is a revolutionary tools, you are anomyme and privacy is really in the core etc. etc.. but the fast is new user are not able to dive into it and use it for a real use.

- Slow : My user experience in hubzilla is that it is often slow. I am waiting often after clicking somewhere.

- Double configuration. Often the admin should activate or parameter a plugin and the member should do the same. We need double configuration. If either the member or the admin don't do it. It will not work. Even admin is not able to configurate plugin for member. That level of complexity is something like a weekness of course we also can see that like a strongness.  

- Simplicity should be the target. How to make something complicated simple ? I hope the level of simplicity sill be the target for hubzilla.

- Hubzilla is changing quicky and improvements are frequent. That is my hope. I am sure improvement will lead into the right direction. (simplicity)
M. Dent
  
You've outlined a number of challenges and I don't think there's anyone to disagree.  The question is, what to do about it.  For me, it's a bit of reframing my own expectations and thinking on these topics.

I think the first four of your topics could be combined.

Your first four topics (Finding a hub, What a hub can do, Social and New users not comfortable) all actually fall under one umbrella.  Right now, Hubzilla is still in the "early adopter" phase - and unless people feel a good reason, they aren't going to go through the trouble.

It's up to those of us who see and know not only the potential but the current benefits of hubzilla to create that "good reason."  Part of it is awareness, part of it is creating good "onboarding" resources (training new users), part of it is finding ways to bring whole communities onto hubzilla.

This last one is probably the best way to start.  At this stage, only "early adopters" and "technophiles" are going to be interested in hubzilla.  And, most 'early adopters' right now will not find enough utility from hubzilla to make it worth while to stick around.  That's just reality, but it doesn't have to stay that way.

For example - I am in the midst of starting a new organization in the U.S. that will be massively distributed and needs a good communications infrastructure that is both flexible and extensible.  We have settled on going through the pain of learning the ins and outs of Hubzilla and have evaluated it to fit our needs.  This has the potential to bring a significant user base into hubzilla - and based on the structure of the organization - has the potential to open a large number of new "community" based hubs (both geographic communities, and communities centered around common goals and purposes).  In this case, there is a built-in incentive to use hubzilla if you are a member of this new organization.  It's how things will get done.

One conclusion I've come to about "social" networking is that it doesn't really exist apart from the external social structures that it seeks to network together.  Don't get me wrong, it can be very helpful at connecting and fostering community - but in reality, the community already exists apart from the social network - even if the social network is what was used as the 'tool' to connect them together.

In this sense, "Hubzilla" will never itself be a community - just like "Facebook" is not really a community.  Both are tools to connect people and allow a community to interact and cooperate toward shared goals.  Other social networks (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) are where they are because existing communities intentionally or unintentionally chose to use that tool to cooperate and interact.  

One way to move Hubzilla more into the "mainstream,"  is to identify existing communities that would benefit by using Hubzilla and onboarding the entire existing community - teaching them how to use this tool to do what the community is trying to accomplish.  

For me, the biggest benefit to hubzilla is that it isn't designed to distract me and influence my thinking and make money off me by throwing ads in my face as I try to interact with my various "communities," it's centered around being a TOOL by which communitiecs can actually accomplish REAL THINGS.  That's a HUGE difference.

The reason(s) that the group I'm working with has settled on Hubzilla is that it is a PLATFORM that integrates all the tools we were using under one umbrella.  Wiki/Websites/Chat-Forums - all with fine-grained access control.  As we move forward, file sharing, calendaring, and numerous other tools will become more important - as will the "social media" aspects.

Instead of using separate apps (Slack + Wiki software + Wordpress + Dropbox) with separate administration of permissions and logins and the challenges of data control and privacy concerns - Hubzilla allows us to pull all of that together, even though it may be distributed on numerous servers.  Those things that we need to control remain under our own control on our own server (or one run by people we know and trust) rather than on some nameless - faceless company's servers who could and would sell our souls to feed their bottom line.

Not all of these things will be up and running right away (the biggest sticking point right now is probably Websites - so we will be "stuck" with Wordpress for a while [although, the Wordpress plugin will be VERY helpful])

As for the other things on your list:

slow - I'm sure that the devs would be more than happy to review and consider any pull requests that would help with that!

Double configuration - From what I can tell, this is intentional and I think it's good that it's required.  But, what might help is some sort of "onboarding" addon that would teach or train people about various features and then, once they have learned what they are and how they work, enables those features.  I think the current system of "hiding" many features unless they are explicitly enabled by the user prevents the initial panic ("Oh my gosh!  What do all these things DO!!?!"), but I would agree that there needs to be some sort of bridge for the less technically inclined to say, "I want to be able to set up a website through Hubzilla, what do I have to do?" - be presented some tutorials and helps and at that point the option is enabled.

This is related to SIMPLICITY.  In my thinking (and it's only my own thinking) - what is needed is a few of these "connecting bits" - perhaps a "tutorial" addon that allows the creation of "how-to" documents that walk users through how to use features - with either text, videos, whatever.

It took me literally MONTHS after my first "go round" on the demo site to jump into hubzilla - and I'm very technically adept and very much able to quickly grasp new things.  So for it to take me that long means that the general user simply will not ever go there.

But I don't think any of these things are insurmountable... they will just take people willing to dig in and apply themselves.  The platform seems very much ready - but the current crop of developers have their hands full just making needed improvements 'under the hood'.  The work so far is tremendous!  And there is tremendous potential for greatness - but it will take work to get there.

Every little bit will be helpful!
kris
  
What a long and wise response. This was very general thought. I think it would be much more constructed analysis to be more detailed.

My next step is to work on the translation. That is my drop of water that will fill the ocean.
kris
  
hello I am not so regular here at my english channel. Snow is falling, temperature -3 the road is icy and Hubzilla is still in developpement. It is Friday and I wish every people a nice weekend.

kris
  
@Hubzilla Support Forum+

A friend of my is looking for a tool. He wants to add for each day of a year a geek story. He still have few dates but he wants that many people works on that.

Is hubzilla is able to do that. My first idea was caldav and tocken but I am not sur if it is working. Second idea is event ?

Otherwise we could imagine kind of wiki
tobias
  
Oh, btw - admin panel showed no problems with db-updates. But good to know how to resolve things like this.
Mario Vavti
  
The fix is already in master
tobias
  
Wow, yes, I can confirm. Cool! :)
Thanks a lot.
kris
  
I put star at some post but what is the goal of this. How to find them afterwar.
Raymond Monret
  
It keeps a copy of it locally "forever". You can access the starred posts via the appropriate activity view iirc.
Mario Vavti
  
Activity > Starred tab

kris
  
@Hubzilla Support Forum+

Juste a remark about ergonomy.

If you are not connected and as a visitor you clic on a link of a channel

https://garoa.clug/channel/kris

You arrived at the page of the channel. It is nice. It is like a blog. But there is no link to see the profile page. Each one must add a menu and on the menu a link on profile page to see a page about. What is this channel etc...

Just a suggestion to add always a link to leat at the profile page. I don't know how. Personnaly, I wanted to click on the profile picture and wanted to arrived at the profile page. But it would be nice to add a link below the photo. I see the name have no link.

What do you think about that ? I would like to have others ideas ? Please be sometimes simple users who discover hubzilla for the first time. Try to be empathetic.
Maria Karlsen
  
@kris  i think transparency might be an issue on some screen resolutions, like when browsing Hubzilla from a phone, but with a normal computer screen I have never had any problems. I didn't create any menu, I just used my profile to add a little more visible info:-)
Andrew Manning
  
with a normal computer screen

Haha, you realize that for a very large fraction of the planet now, this means a tiny phone screen...
Mike Macgirvin
  
I personally prefer the navbar channel menu (Settings->Display->Provide channel menu in navigation bar).

kris
  
Cron send the message Cannot load Zend OPcache - extension already loaded

from  include/poller.php

it is on dreamhost
kris
  
arf I just add a diaspora user and I receive the message procole desactivated. I check the plugin and I don't find diapora plusgin  

why did I choose this hub ????

kris
  
Masto.Host - Hosting for Mastodon Instances

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Masto.Host - Hosting for Mastodon Instances


Have your one click hubzilla

10 users : 5€ per month
20 users   10€ per month
etc...
can you imagine that ?

#host

kris
  
Mastodon is a Twitter alternative that recently released version 2.0 and has been steadily growing over the past year. It’s also a project that I’ve been dedicating an inordinate amount of my time to since last April – helping write the software, running my own instance, and also just hanging out. So I’d like to write a bit about why I think it’s a more humane and ethical social media platform than Twitter.

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What is Mastodon and why is it better than Twitter
by Nolan Lawson on Read the Tea Leaves

#mastodon
kris
  
@epreuves+ !

I try this way to talk only to the forum. I am a little bit sceptical but why not.  Sceptical because my lock is open that means that all car read me
kris
  
no @Jake Moomaw this post is still public and visible by every one the  exclamation point does not change anything
Jake Moomaw
  
I think it should be after the @ but before the name, like @!kris

You should be the only one that can see this response.
kris
  
No I log off an go to
https://garoa.club/channel/kris

and I see your comment
kris
  
@epreuves+

Hi everyone I just arrive in this forum. I hope i can talk with all the group
Jake Moomaw
  
I think that you need to include an exclamation point in the forum name to send it to only the forum.
kris
  
I never heard that.

kris
  
@Hubzilla Support Forum+

I created a restricted forum. In my imagination it is like a closed group. Each member of the group can talk to every body inside the group. If you don't belong to the group (forum) you cannot read and comment.

member A and B belong to the forum

A write to the forum in public way.
B can read the post but cannot comment !!!!

A has no relation with B.

The advantage of a group of forum is : You don't have to make a relation with each member to communicate but only with the group (forum). But in my case A is not able to reply to B.

It is in version 2.8
The channel is restricted forum

#forum
tobias
  


Social - Mostly PublicSocial - PrivateForum - mostly publicForum - restrictedForum - Private
Posts & itemspublic“friends” privacy grouppublic“friends” privacy group“friends” privacy group
listed in directoryyesnoyesyesno
online presence visibleyesconnectionsno
connections visibleyesconnectionsyesconnections
new connectionspublicplaced in “friends” privacy group“friends” privacy group“friends” privacy group
posting via@mention, wall-to-wall@mention, wall-to-wall@mention+ & wall-to-wall@mention+ & wall-to-wall Replies may be seen by connections of forum members even if those are notWall-to-wall only, sent to “friends”
Also post to blocked“friends” privacy group
Members addedautomaticautomaticallymanuallymanually
create public postownerownerallownerowner
kris
  última edição: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:17:27 -0200  
Tobias your table is what I need.

But I don't understand exactly "@mention+ & wall-to-wall Replies may be seen by connections of forum members even if those are not"

Are all member of a restricted forum able to comment inside the forum ? that is my question. Even if they don't follow each other.

Oh I don't see on the table can comment. On my example A see the post of B but was not able to comment

On my test maybe there is an other problem as Mike said that this is working perfectly.
kris
  
I refresh each contact and it works now. Maybe I did it too fast. I realised that the owner or moderator of the forum has to validate each contact. That is good.